Hell's Population Clock

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FAQ: There are no human sacrifices specified in the covenant that Moses' people
entered into with God on oath in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy. Plus, according to Deut 4:2 and Deut 5:29-30 it is prohibited to
revise the covenant. Since Jesus was a Jew whose religion was governed by that
covenant; then how was it legal for him to die for the sins of the world?

REPLY: The Bible's codified laws are not retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Gal 3:17) This is
extremely important because Jesus was designated, and scheduled, to die for the
sins of the world prior to the voice of God creating even a single atom for the
current cosmos. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8) In other words: the cross was
anticipated.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 123 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 8,566,704 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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Insensitive folk who come from the womb unable to feel compassion, are in very
grave danger of the sum of all fears.

● Matt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

● Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no
mercy.

NOTE: There are a number of instructional web sites offering lists of helpful do's
and don'ts to assist sympathy-challenged people to at least respond appropriately
to others' misfortunes.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 125 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 8,706,000 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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God counseled Cain:

● Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do
what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must
master it.

"to have you" indicates complete control over one's life so that Cain wouldn't just
be slipping into sin now and then, rather; sin would become his lifestyle should he
become independent enough to allow ignoring God to become a habit.

FAQ: How was Cain supposed to know what's right seeing as how God had not yet
codified any of His laws?

REPLY: His brother Abel was a prophet. (Luke 11:50-51)

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 127 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 8,845,296 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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● Rev 20:13 . . I saw the dead, and they were judged, every one of them

That verse says that "every one" of them were judged. Well; I don't know precisely
how many every one will eventually number, but let's say that it's 100,000.

If each of these 100,000 cases were to take an hour to complete, we'd be looking
at roughly 4,167 calendar days, i.e. 11½ years-- that's if the judging by a solo
judge goes around the clock 24/7/365.

According to Daniel 7:13-14, John 5:22-3, and Acts 17:31, Messiah has been
designated to preside at the event. However, there's reason to suggest that he
won't be handling every case himself.

● 1Cor 6:2-3 . . Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the
world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law
courts? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? (cf. Matt 12:28)

Moses was assisted in his judicial duties by a select group of Jewish men. (Ex
18:17-26) It's possible that certain among Messiah's followers will be recruited to
serve as judges with him in the same manner, which will expedite his case load
considerably.

There's a few points related to that scene worth special mention.

1) According to Jude 1:14-15 the dead will be given a fair trial.

2) According to Matt 12:36, every word that the dead have spoken will be used as
evidence both against them and/or for them; not just their serious words, but also
their careless words.

3) The scene doesn't depict one future out of a variety of possible futures; no, it
depicts the actual future.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 129 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 8,984,592 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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● 1Kings 22:18-23 . . I saw the Lord God sitting on His throne, and all the host of
heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. And Jehovah said: Who will
entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said this while another
said that.

. . .Then a spirit came forward and stood before The Lord and said: I will entice
him. And The Lord said to him: How? And he said: I will go out and be a deceiving
spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. Then He said: You are to entice him and also
prevail. Go and do so. Now therefore, behold, The Lord has put a deceiving spirit in
the mouth of all these your prophets; and Jehovah has proclaimed disaster against
you.

Now that is scary. Can you just imagine the horror of being targeted like that and
not aware of it! (cf. 2Thess 2:8-12)

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 131 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,123,888 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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● 1Kings 22:18-23 . . I saw the Lord God sitting on His throne, and all the host of
heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. And Jehovah said: Who will
entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said this while another
said that.

. . .Then a spirit came forward and stood before The Lord and said: I will entice
him. And The Lord said to him: How? And he said: I will go out and be a deceiving
spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. Then He said: You are to entice him and also
prevail. Go and do so. Now therefore, behold, The Lord has put a deceiving spirit in
the mouth of all these your prophets; and Jehovah has proclaimed disaster against
you.

Now that is scary. Can you just imagine the horror of being targeted like that and
not aware of it! (cf. 2Thess 2:8-12)

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 131 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,123,888 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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You believe that people go to hell even before being judged? Do you think that God torments unbelievers for eternity for living a vapors worth of life? Seems you believe hell is a fiery place of torment, what if it's the grave, a waiting place like paradise, upper or lower Hades, or annihilation?

 

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what if it's annihilation?

That would be a tremendous relief seeing as how every time one of my closest
relatives pass away they leave me in doubt as to their afterlife situation; especially
my mom and my kid brother.

When I was a child in catechism, fiery retribution was academic, i.e. an article of
faith to memorize. But it's not academic anymore because now I'm going on 81 and
most of my closest relatives have already departed this life. Somebody else's kin in
Hell is one thing, but quite a different feeling when it might be one of your own.
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Canadian folk singer Gordon Lightfoot released a sentimental song back in
1975 that speaks volumes about sympathy. Its lyrics are very touching.
Here's a few that I feel especially appropriate when talking about things like
sickness, death, and the hereafter.

Rainy day people always seem to know when it's time to call.
Rainy day people don't talk, they just listen till they've heard it all.
Rainy day lovers don't lie when they tell 'ya they've been down like you.
Rainy day people don't mind if you're cryin' a tear or two.

I sometimes wonder how much sympathy one can expect in the fiery
netherworld. I mean; sure they'll understand how we might feel about the
unfortunate circumstances in life that led us down there, but once you're
there, everyone's pretty much in the same boat and the others are all
longing for sympathy too.

In point of fact, I'd not be surprised if the competition for sympathy down
there is on the level of dog eat dog; and likely a fair number of sympathy
hoarders demanding total market share of it. I can just hear their feigned
indignity; like this:

"Oh, stop whining already! Don't be such a baby. I deserve a lot more pity
than you. I've been down here for two millennia and you've only been down
here for a decade. What've you got to cry about? You should be grateful that
your time down here is shorter than mine."

I'd imagine that after a few years in that place the only sympathy that
people can feel after a while is sympathy for themselves.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 133 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,263,184 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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● 1Cor 1:26 . . Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were
wise in the world's eyes, or powerful, or wealthy when God called you.

Faith in Christ isn't an achievement like a Nobel prize in chemistry nor as if
one ran for public office or climbed a corporate ladder. None of us would be
an integral member of Christ's body were it not for God's incredible IQ and
His access to a remarkable variety of supernatural resources.

● 1Cor 1:30 . . God alone made it possible for you to be in Christ Jesus. For
our benefit God made Christ to be wisdom itself; he is the one who made us
acceptable to God. He made us pure and holy, and he gave himself to
purchase our freedom.

NOTE: If there's a Devil, then I think we can safely assume he's been doing
his best to make it impossible be in Christ; but God's free will trumps the
Devils' free will along with everybody else's free will.

Education and/or a high IQ have their uses; but are insufficient when it
comes to spiritual matters. In point of fact, too many smarts can actually be
an impediment. Take for example Carl Sagan. Had his knowledge and his IQ
been a spiritual advantage, then Carl would've stood on the side of
intelligent design instead of opposing it.

It's tragic that Carl went to his grave with his curiosity and so many
scientific questions about the cosmos unanswered, and to top it off, a day is
coming when even Carl's pale blue dot will no longer be available for study.

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall
not be remembered, nor come into mind." (Isa 65:17)

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first
earth were passed away." (Rev 21:1)

Can you imagine how delighted Carl would've been to explore Heaven's
libraries where everything to know that can be known about the cosmos is
stored? But alas, Carl will never find out because he was at best an agnostic,
at worst an atheist.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 135 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,402,480 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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● 2Cor 5:11 . . Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men

The Greek word translated "knowing" means to know firsthand, viz: by experience
rather than by education and/or instruction.

In other words: there were incidents at various times in the lives of Paul and his
contemporaries when God scared 'em out of their wits.

Well; there's nothing like a good old fashioned close encounter of a third kind to
convince even the most resistant skeptics; and Paul's history attests that his was a
really stubborn case.

Of course if any of us were to claim we've experienced the terror of the Lord, we'd
be singled out as kooks and crackpots; but for some of us, fright is the only
persuasion that works; for example:

When I was working as a professional welder for the US Army Corps of Engineers,
we had weekly and monthly safety meetings wherein we were shown some grisly
photographs of real life industrial accidents involving burns, chain saws, punctured
eyes, explosions, falls, crane collapses, suffocation, crushing, and the like.

Let me tell you: those safety meetings got our attention, and really made a sharp
distinction between the fool and the wise.

● Luke 12:4-5 . . And I say unto you my friends; Be not afraid of them that kill the
body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom
ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into Hell; yea,
I say unto you fear Him.

A Danger Foreseen;
Is Half-Avoided.
(Cheyenne Proverb)

A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions.
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
(Prov 22:3)

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 137 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,541,776 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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Rev 16:17-18 predicts a global earthquake so powerful on the Richter scale that
cities all over the world will collapse at once.

Something like 2,829 lost their lives when the World Trade Center was demolished
by a terrorist attack in 2001. Well that was only a few acres of New York City. Just
imagine the body count when all of Manhattan comes down at once. along with
other major cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Mexico City, Paris, Moscow,
Beijing, Tokyo, et al. The carnage will be beyond belief; and a great many of the
dead will be infants and underage children.

The Bible says that we should consider not only God's benevolence, but also His
severity. We're dealing with a someone far more terrifying than even the tyrants of
North Korea, Communist China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the awful regimes
in Africa.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 139 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,681,072 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the Genesis
account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online called me an
ignorant bigot because I stand by the Bible's physical gender designations and
refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g. gender fluid, and non binary, et
al.

Do they honestly believe that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos-- all of
its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on gender identity?

● Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The
kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against The
Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break their bands asunder, and cast
away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall
have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them
in His sore displeasure.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 141 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,820,368 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

● Prv 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to you,
but you paid no attention. You ignored my advice and rejected the correction I
offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you when disaster
overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm, when you are engulfed
by trouble, and when anguish and distress overwhelm you.

. . . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously search for
me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose not to fear The
Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I corrected them. That is
why they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own way. They must experience the
full terror of the path they have chosen. For they are simpletons who turn away
from me-- to death. They are fools, and their own complacency will destroy them.
But all who listen to me will live in peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Mr. Esau.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even
afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found
no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb 12:16-17)

The Greek word translated "repentance" basically means to change one's mind; viz:
to reconsider.

Esau was secular to the bone. But he "got religion" right quick when he saw his way
of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a day late and a dollar
short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to be giving Hell some serious thought is
not when they get there, rather; before they get there.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 143 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 9,959,664 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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● John 3:16 . . For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The love in that passage is translated from a Greek verb that expresses compassion
for the world without particularly liking anybody. In other words: that kind of love is
civil and sympathetic but doesn't necessarily express fondness or affection.

FAQ: God in His wrath condemns folks to the fiery netherworld while at the same
time feeling pity for them?

REPLY: God forbid that He be one to obstruct justice by letting His feelings overrule
and/or outweigh the facts. No doubt God would rather be kind than cruel; but
sometimes circumstances just won't permit.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 145 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 10,098,960 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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Apple Computer co-founder Steve Jobs once said (in so many words) that people
don't know what they want till it's shown them. Steve may not've been as proficient
with electronics as his pal Woz, but I gotta say: Jobs was one heck of a promoter.

People imprisoned on the wrong side of the netherworld may or may not be fully
aware of all they've lost. Many are doubtless aware of at least their loss of creature
comforts; but I'm not so sure they know about the bulk of their loss because not
even that many Christians are aware of all they've gained by their unity with Christ.

● Isa 52:13 . . Behold, My servant will prosper; he will be high and lifted up, and
greatly exalted.

The Word's flesh came into the world with limited acclaim, but departed the world
highly honored by means of the Father making that man His heir apparent.

● John 3:35 . . The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.

● Heb 1:1-2 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at
many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by His
son, whom He appointed heir of all things

The benefit of this for those of us who at one time were alienated from God and on
a road to Hell is nigh unto impossible to believe.

Christ's believing followers have been adopted into God's family circle, thus making
them eligible for an inheritance.

● Rom 8:14-17 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear
again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out:
Abba! Father! The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children
of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ. (cf. Gal
4:4-7, Eph 1:4-5)

The Greek word translated "fellow heirs" actually means joint heirs; a.k.a. heirs in
common. Here's how that plays out:

A joint-heir is different than a regular heir. Regular heirs are apportioned an
individual percentage of their benefactor's estate. But joint-heirs inherit, not a
percentage, but the entire estate, as community property, i.e. whatever the Father
bequeathed Christ, that He also bequeathed everyone unified with Christ.

For example: supposing a benefactor's estate totals 60 acres of land, 18 gold bars,
a fleet of antique cars, plus a hedge fund worth 12 million US Dollars; and he left it
all to six heirs in common. In that situation; the heirs are corporately one
beneficiary instead of six; viz: all six inherit all the land, all the gold, all the cars,
and the entire fund as if each one were the only heir.

The extent of the Father's estate is astonishing. It encompasses not only all that is
in Heaven, but also all in the entire universe, plus whatever pertains to the new
cosmos spoken of in Isa 66:17, 2Pet 3:13, and Rev 21:1; and I don't know what
else.

● John 16:15 . . All things that the Father has are mine

Point being: folks stuck in perdition are wretched paupers in the afterlife, whereas
those of us unified with Christ are wealthy and privileged beyond imagination.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 147 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 10,238,256 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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FAQ: The Bible says that a Christian's life on earth terminates the day they come to
faith in Christ; and from then on, God stops keeping a record of their sins. (Rom
6:3-7, Col 3:3, and 2Cor 5:19). What about the afterlife? What's to be done about
the sins Christians commit there?

REPLY: They won't be committing any sins in the next life due to the results of a
special procedure performed by the hand of God per Col 2:11.

* It must be very devastating when folks below find out too late about that
procedure; and also when they find out too late about Jeremiah 31:31-34 and
Ezekiel 36:24-27 which, according to the language, would've rendered them easily
righteous enough to associate with God permanently.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 149 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 10,377,552 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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Jesus sacrificed his life for the whole world; not just part of the world, rather;
everybody who has ever lived, and everybody who will ever live, down to the last
born on Earth. That says quite a bit about how Jesus feels about some of us.

For example: He may not like me-- at all. In point of fact Jesus just may quite
despise me, and candidly declare that I am not the kind of people with whom he
cares to associate. Nevertheless, Jesus went to the cross for me too in spite of any
disgust he might feel for me as a person.

Now, as I said-- in so many words --Jesus may not be especially fond of me, but
there's no doubt in my mind that he at least cares for me. So I played upon his
Father's sympathies back in February of 1968 when I prayed a very selfish prayer
that went something like this:

"God; I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's death."

Seeing as how Jesus gave his life for the whole world, then God couldn't very well
refuse my request; now could He.

● Rom 5:6-8 . . Christ died for the impious. Very rarely will anyone die for a
righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But
God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ
died for us.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 151 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 10,516,848 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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In the second chapter of the book of Daniel is told the story of Nebuchadnezzar's
dream. He demanded his wise men to tell him the interpretation of the dream but
withheld the dream's details; without which they could not answer.

But God had observed the king's dream; and revealed its details, along with its
interpretation, to Daniel. Apparently God can hear our thoughts just as audibly as
we, and can view the scenes in our heads just as clearly too; making it very difficult
to retain some privacy in our own minds.

● Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight; everything is
uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give
account.

POP CLOCK UPDATE: 153 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 10,656,144 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since May 05, 2024.
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